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Do you know this man? (Answer is in the picture properties)

I had an odd revelation this week. At work I asked a friend to loan me a “Gallus” — the man who appears on the 200 tolar banknote. My friend looked at me blankly, clearly having no idea what bill Gallus was on and wondering why the hell I did. We talked a bit, and when I discovered that he couldn’t name any of them (except Frank) I chastised him and suggested he surrender his passport and citizenship.

He defended himself by saying that no Slovene knows what’s on the 15-year-old, soon-to-be-extinct tolar. I countered that this was absolutely, totally and 100% impossible. I’ve only been here a few years and know all of them — surely natives would know most, or some, of them. (After all, the pantheon of Slovenian heroes isn’t exactly titanic.)

So we broke out the science and tested two dozen people — turns out not a single one of them had any idea. I couldn’t believe it. Out of our sample group, zero percent could correctly name anyone on a bill under 1000.

In case this was a freakish fluke, let me ask you all: There are 9 banknotes — how many can you name (without looking)? Be honest! Science is counting on you!

Posted on Friday, October 6, 2006 to Uncategorized, Slovenia

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  • 1

    50 tolars - Jurij Vega
    100 tolars - Rihard Jakopic
    500 tolars - Joze Plecnik
    1000 tolars - France Presern
    5000 tolars - Ivana Kobilca
    10000 tolars - Ivan Cankar

    I honestly wouldn’t be able to tell the other three on my own right now. It’s a damn shame of course, but everyone is always laughing their ass off about stupid Americans. Pot, kettle…

         by crni on October 6, 2006 at 6:09 am

  • 2

    lol, i knew all except the 20 tolar one. Of the coins, i don’t remember what’s on the 1 tolar one, but i do all of the others, even 10, 20, 50 cents! ;p

         by seba on October 6, 2006 at 6:59 am

  • 3

    I couldn’t come up with answers for 50, 100, or 10,000 (this last one I virtually never deal with, though). Note that I’m also a tujec, and have also been known to hit people up for a “Valvasor” for the coffee machine, only to encounter puzzlement and rage. I think the discrepancy you mention is due to the Circle Line Effect, which states that out-of-towners are likely to know more about historical and cultural trivia than locals. What New Yorker can tell you who’s buried in Grant’s Tomb?

         by sgazzetti on October 6, 2006 at 7:00 am

  • 4

    Trubar, Valvasor, Vega, Jakopic, Gallus, Plecnik, Preseren, Kobilica, Cankar…

    Funny thing is that I was told of the same experience more then ten years ago. A native speaker whom my mother recruited to better my English told me, that he always asked his pupils, who were the people depicted on Slovene banknotes and most pupils didn’t know… Funny.

    But then again: maybe this is the final proof of ignorant youth I ranted about couple of days ago.

    BTW Michael: Who’s depicted on 20, 50 and 100 dollar bills? ;)

         by pengovsky on October 6, 2006 at 8:24 am

  • 5

    Well, most people know the best the banknote they are using the most… I, for example, am the most familiar with Cankar… :) (hehe - sanjala svinja kukuruz)

    Well, regarding US dollars… I remember for sure, that there is George Washington on one dollar bill.. Don’t even ask me whats on the frontside of EURO bills… Its dull as EU bureaucracy and grey Brussels weather… :)

         by Matty on October 6, 2006 at 8:41 am

  • 6

    I know all of them (ok, I remember a name or two when I see the picture)… enough to prove your friend wrong. :) And I’m 18, which is enough to prove your remark about ignorat youth wrong too, pengovsky. :P

    This is weird, however. I wouldn’t have guessed so many people had no idea.

         by Wing on October 6, 2006 at 8:54 am

  • 7

    Franklin on the 100, Grant on the 50 and (as anyone who grew up in New Orleans knows) Jackson on the 20.

    However, I actually got the 10-dollar bill wrong. I thought it was Madison, but it’s Hamilton. (Oh, bittersweet irony!)

         by Michael M. on October 6, 2006 at 9:09 am

  • 8

    @Wing: Well, then there’s hope still ;) Or to put it in the immortal words ob Bill Clinton: “I still believe in a town called Hope!” :)

    @Michael M.: There you go… :)

         by pengovsky on October 6, 2006 at 9:14 am

  • 9

    @Micheale M. : I wonder if Bush will someday “advance” to dollar bills… :)Maybe they will reintroduce again 1000US$ bill with him…

         by Matty on October 6, 2006 at 9:30 am

  • 10

    Matty: Well, he already made it on the $200. (Although so far it’s only been valid in Roanoke Rapids, North Carolina)

         by Michael M. on October 6, 2006 at 9:35 am

  • 11

    I think that we don’t have the habit of calling money by what is on it lik ein american detective or crime B-movies. Give me a Franklin and so on… Or maybe not? Maybe we do it, but only above Preseren.
    @Michael: Check out the movie “The Weatherman” and remember the old’s man advice! You are old enough, you should carry more than a dolar (in your case more than 200SIT) :-P!

         by mAT on October 6, 2006 at 9:50 am

  • 12

    Hahaha, good one! :)

         by pengovsky on October 6, 2006 at 9:51 am

  • 13

    Oh I’m so ashamed of myself… I’d have known only about the 10 and the 1000 tolar note. About Trubar I found out in Tübingen (a German student of Slovenian told me: “What?! You don’t know it? It’s Trubar.”) and with PreÅ¡eren I used to pay my LaÅ¡ko…

         by alcessa on October 6, 2006 at 10:55 am

  • 14

    @mAT: I agree with you on calling banknotes by names from Preseren upwards, but there’s even a more funny phenomenon… Call it the “jurja” phenomenon. Do you remember the old yugoslav banknote for 10 dinars… When I was a kid we called it “10 jurjev” - apparently it was worth 10.000 dinars before denomination (one of many). And now, PreÅ¡eren is also reffered to as “jurja”, i.e.: 1000 SIT. Where the hell does “jurja” come from?

         by pengovsky on October 6, 2006 at 10:56 am

  • 15

    Pengovsky,
    I asked Wikipedia and it says it comes from… St. Jurij (St. George, isn’t it?) on a 1000 note in Yugoslavia: Po sv. Juriju, ki je v Ä?asu Kraljevine Jugoslavije bil upodobljen na bankovcu za 1000 dinarjev, je izÅ¡la beseda »jur«, ki v pogovorni slovenÅ¡Ä?ini Å¡e danes oznaÄ?uje tisoÄ?aka v katerikoli valuti.

         by alcessa on October 6, 2006 at 11:18 am

  • 16

    Michael– you skipped one: Jefferson on the vastly under-utilized two-dollar bill.

         by sgazzetti on October 6, 2006 at 12:39 pm

  • 17

    I remember the first time I saw a 2-dollar bill as a kid; it was like a miracle. I think I still have one somewhere in my basement.

    alcessa: Thanks for answering that — I wonder which euro will inherit the title?

         by Michael M. on October 6, 2006 at 12:50 pm

  • 18

    Michael, I didn’t translate all of it, but the Wikipedia-text explains that, too: … the word “jur”, that in modern colloquial Slovenian denotes any 1000-note of any currency.

         by alcessa on October 6, 2006 at 1:02 pm

  • 19

    Currency!?
    Even here in the States, currency is oh so…Old Europe!

    I know the two main monetary exchanges.
    Visa.
    Mastercard.
    And I’ll throw in Discover fo those of us who like to get insulted every once in a while by a Komandante Kashier.

         by DarkoV on October 6, 2006 at 1:58 pm

  • 20

    Boy, do I love Quizzzs…

    10- Primož Trubar
    20- Janez Vajkart Valvasor
    50- Jurij Vega
    100- Rihard JakopiÄ?
    200- Jacobus Gallus Carniolus
    500- Master Jože PleÄ?nik
    1000- France Prešeren
    5000- Ivana Kobilca
    10.000- Ivan Cankar

    Ah, I already know I’ll be missing the good old tolars.

         by luka on October 6, 2006 at 2:04 pm

  • 21

    Nothing to do with money, well except for the Act of Spending It, but here’s an ESPN link to an article about the quest of Slovenia’s reclusive marble trout.

    The Reclusive Marble Trout.
    A candidate for one of the new Euro bills?

    Ending line of the ESPN article: “Yes, we did travel a long way to fish for marble trout, but the trip was a success and filled with memories of a beautiful countryside, friendly people and a conservation program that will insure the survival of this very unique trout.

         by DarkoV on October 6, 2006 at 2:31 pm

  • 22

    Well yes, what is money without pictures on it, anyway.
    Though I do like my plastik fantastik, it is a rather nice feeling to pull something papery out of the pocket or to jingle one’s coins…

         by alcessa on October 6, 2006 at 2:38 pm

  • 23

    Hmmmm DarkoV!
    I am really sorry to tell you this: euro notes are the same in every country. The only difference are the coins. Mike has already posted some preview of ‘em a while ago.

         by mAT on October 6, 2006 at 3:11 pm

  • 24

    @alcessa: Great, thanks for clearing that up for me :D

         by pengovsky on October 6, 2006 at 4:26 pm

  • 25

    That was easy! Especially concerning that the question was asked on the The Glory of Carniola.

         by B5 on October 6, 2006 at 4:41 pm

  • 26

    sure i know them all. you should’ve asked me :D (or any that knows them; surprised you didn’t find any)

    [offtopic]in one of previous articles there was conversation about rare tolars.. i really search for a 10 stotinov coin (the only one missing in my tolar collection; i decided to save them)

         by Bober on October 6, 2006 at 4:47 pm

  • 27

    cloud name them all.well at least all the surenames…..
    sure will miss tolar when it’s gone.

         by ik on October 6, 2006 at 5:10 pm

  • 28

    bober: that’s a tough call. They are practically out of use (but you knew that ;) ). Maybe you should go to an exchange office, ask there. After the initial few months when shops also had those, exchange offices are the only places where I ever got them. Or ask at a bank. And you ain’t got much time left, either. :)

    Regarding the notes: yeah, I could name them all. I was a bit surprised at the time it took me - nothing spectacularly blockheaded, but it did take some time for me to come up with all of them.

         by Cornelius on October 6, 2006 at 8:07 pm

  • 29

    Alcessa: I don’t think that 1000 EUR notes will be so “popular” in Slovenia, that you’ll be able to hear often: Posodi mi jurja… By the way, I know a great band with that name.

         by cija on October 7, 2006 at 12:52 am

  • 30

    I’m surprised nobody said this before… Who cares about faces and names on banknotes?!?

    All about the benjamins and franklins with you guys huh? ;)

         by Jernej on October 7, 2006 at 9:30 am

  • 31

    Cija: are you sure? I mean: they do look good…

    I know the band, too..

         by alcessa on October 7, 2006 at 11:36 am

  • 32

    @cija: are you sure they exist..?

    But i agree with alcessa… if only… (i had a few… hehe).

    By the way, probably the most strange denominaton existed in Cuba… ! And that is probably one of the most searched for banknotes for collectors, as it includes Che Guevara…

         by Matty on October 7, 2006 at 1:56 pm

  • 33

    Love to see such a fine image of Che Guevarra y O’Loinsigh!

         by Katja on October 8, 2006 at 7:21 am

  • 34

    So we broke out the science and tested two dozen people — turns out not a single one of them had any idea. I couldn’t believe it. Out of our sample group, zero percent could correctly name anyone on a bill under 1000.

    Michael, i must say that you are surrounded by a bunch of ignorant morons, whose knowledge is limited by the content of TV commercials and the garbage they see in shoping centres. Get yourself out of there ASAP!

         by rox on October 9, 2006 at 9:36 am

  • 35

    Not to mention that the 50 tolar bill, featuring Jurij Vega is probably the best looking piece of money in existence. Man, this pissed me off.

         by rox on October 9, 2006 at 9:38 am

  • 36

    Why would an exchange office have a 0,10-SIT coin?

    @Bober: you can get it in an overpriced set of uncirculated coins issued by the Bank of Slovenia: look here (left column)
    (I’m not sure I want to give away some of my 0,10-SIT coins).

         by igor on October 9, 2006 at 1:12 pm

  • 37

    10- Primož Trubar
    20 - Janez Vajkard Valvasor
    50 - Jurij Vega
    100 - Rihard JakopiÄ?
    200 - Jakob Petelin Gallus
    500 - Jože PleÄ?nik
    1000 - France Prešeren
    5000 - Ivana Kobilca
    10000 - Ivan Cankar

    wow, I would be EMBARRASSED if I wouldn’t know their names. After all, these are the men (and a woman) who helped build our identity and people who should make us proud. I feel sort of sorry for those who don’t know who they are.

         by Jagoda on October 10, 2006 at 4:17 pm

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