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The Rock OtoÄ?ec music festival, which takes place every summer near Novo Mesto,
is famous for its mud pool, especially when women roll around in it in
various states of undress. A few days ago, the official Chinese news
agency, Xinhua, published some pictures from the summer event with this hilarious caption:
"Naked
wrestling in mud will be held in Slovenia every year. Nude females make
all kinds of postures and then begin to wrestle in the mud." (Source)
It’s funny that they a) don’t even mention the music festival, b) use the word "will" as if naked mud wrestling was decided by government decree, c) use the phrase "make all kinds of postures," which is just intrinsically funny. (And what does it mean, exactly?)
For plenty more pictures of people making all kinds of postures and then wrestling in the mud see the extensive photo albums here. (NSFW, obviously)
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Rock on!
This is what I call a good remix! Not-so-latest news, new view. Good job!
I was at the RO this year and I didn’t see any of these girls getting nasty! FUCK! Why did I miss it?
Michael,Well, now that you’re published and all and i.d.’ed as a Slovenian blogger, it seems you may be forgetting your (muddy) roots. While wet dirt on a female frame is much to admire, the TRUE purpose of good mud can be found back here over the pond.http://www.state.nj.us/drbc/edweb/mud.htm
V teh letih od kar si v Sloveniji si se verjetno nauÄ?il, da je tudi
v tej mali deželici kraja in predelava avtorskega materiala kaznivo
dejanje. Lahko me kontaktiraÅ¡ ali pa poÄ?akaÅ¡ na klic mojega odvetnika! lp Kurty
Krty, could you please send me the contact info of the models you used
in the removed picture? I would like to hire them for a little project.
Kurty, what exactly did Michael steal from you?
Hay Kurty - chill dude. The legality of “linking” is a still in the process of working its way through the courts, as you can read in this link from Yale Law School http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=173 Usually if the author of material linked to would rather not be linked to, all that is required is a polite request. I’ve never seen this fail. It is also worth mentioning that Michael’s site gets over a thousand hits a day and your site probably much less. Michael’s link to your site can only increase your search engine rankings (which can’t be artificially missed with, btw). So instead of getting all hot and bothered about his link you should be a bit more grateful. Now, the greater question here is if you have model releases from all the women you photographed, if not you may want to consider some liability insurance – if the women in question ever decide to care. Getting permission from the organizer of the event doesn’t do the trick, unless he posses these model releases and is authorized by those releases to allow a third party (that’s you) to publish them, unless your site can be considered a documentary or new report. Peace bro.
Thanks for clearing that up, somebody. I was alluding to the model releases in my post, but I wasn’t sure about it.I
am going to go out on a limb and claim that Kurty does not have the
model releases. I will further speculate that Kurty is a self-righteous
asshole and I wish that some of those girls do decide to sue his
pompous ass for every goddamn red cent he’s got. One can certainly not describe his request as polite.
First maybe you should sue the Chinese news agency (if they didn’t
buy your pix), but I guess they would start laughing at you and your
"lawyer".I reccomend you stop being such a faggot! Think of all the
stuff you are downloading and nobody gets on your ass, so please relax
ya batty!
Eh fantje pa ne neumnost kvasit! Fotografije na moji spletni strani
so avtorsko delo in ni dovoljena objava na drugih spletnih straneh brez
soglasja. Å e najmanj je pa dovoljeno izrezati del slike in odstraniti
logo ter objavljati kot lasten izdelek… Sem bil dovolj jasen???!p.s. za brihtneže naj si preberejo pogoje fotkanja na rock otoÄ?cu sicer se pa z puncami osebno poznam!Bo dovolj ali mislite Å¡e pametovat?
Kurty,it’s always allowed to use part of any work if you state the author and source. I think you represent a typical Slovene in this case… "naj sosedu krava crkne"
Nisem ti oporekal tvojih avtorskih pravic. Napisal pa si vso zadevo
zelo kretensko, glede na to da je Michael delel zate v bistvu zastonj
reklamo. Ce punce res poznas ali ne pa kaksni so pogoji
za fotkanje mi v resnici dol visi. Ce jih poznas ali ne, se najbrz
lahko odlocijo za tozbo, ce hocejo. S svojim nacinom in odnosom
si se tukaj predstavil kot popoln kreten in nobeden od obiskovalcev si
te ne bo zapomnil kot fotografa, ki bi ga mogoce kdaj najel. Ce se ti
zdi taka lastna antireklama kul, pol pa itak ni problema.
No Ä?e ti osnove avtorskih pravic niso jasne mislim, da ni vredno
zgubljati besed. Michael-ove reklame v takšem smislu res ne
potrebujem….niti se nimam namena v takÅ¡nem tonu pogovarjat.
Am I missing something here? If the photos came from Xinhua or an affiliated wire service, then it is fairly safe to say that they have the right to set their own redistribution rules, based on the terms agreed to when the rights were acquired. As someone mentioned above, if Xinhua stole the pic, then Kurty should discuss the matter with them – rather than venting his anger on an individual who, based on what we know, had very reason to believe that a major wire service held all the relevant rights. Michael M. is very diligent when it comes to acknowledging people — just check any of his entries — so Kurty’s tone is totally out-of-line. Michael has done more to promote our country with his blog than Kurty probably will in his lifetime; the very least he deserves from us is decency. And, yes, this is an English-langauge forum, with many visitors who don’t understand Slovene, so it would be courteous for people to use English when posting.
kurt for someone who takes pictures of naked chicks
in mud you seem like you have a serious rod up your ass. get a life.
MM je samo zlinkal sliko od kitajske agencije, kjer so oÄ?itno tvoje
avtorsko delo nekoliko priredili. Seveda je vse to razvidno iz novice
kitajskega vira in povezav v tej novici.
Prav tako si ne delaj iluzij, da si ta pogovor zaÄ?el na visokem
nivoju. Tvoja reakcija (pravzaprav bolj grožnje) je bila žaljiva in
patetiÄ?na, nevredna dostojnega Ä?loveka.
Kurty daj se malo pomiri, no.V Ä?em ti je pravzaprav fora ?Je MM zaslužil kaj s tvojim avtorskim delom ? BoÅ¡ rekel, da je zato dobil veÄ? obiska in da je imel koristi od tega tudi na tak naÄ?in, skratka je zdaj bolj popularen, ker se je polastil tvojega avtorskega dela ?ObiÄ?ajno se ne oglaÅ¡am na takÅ¡ne norosti, ampak to je pa preseglo meje dobrega okusa.V prihodnosti ti želim veliko poslovnega uspeha predvsem pa zrvhano mero taktnosti in lepe besede, ne pa da znoriÅ¡ kot kak fanatiÄ?en fuzbalski navijaÄ?. Raje pokaži malo tistega po Ä?emer smo Slovenci znani, ali bi vsaj radi bili.Do prihodnjega lezbiÄ?nega seksa v blatu.
Talk about getting imersed fully in the rich Slovenian culture! ROTFLMAO!
Oh, and I forgot to mention this little gem from Kurty:"Å e najmanj je pa dovoljeno izrezati del slike in odstraniti logo ter objavljati kot lasten izdelek…"If you think Michael was trying to pass the photos as his own work, you obviously didn’t even bother to READ this blog entry before deciding to throw around baseless accusations.
"MM je samo zlinkal sliko od kitajske agencije" no to ne bo držalo, ker je sliko kar lepo prenesel na svoje spletne strani…torej ne gre za linkanje iz moje ali kitajske strani. Link je bil samo dodatno naveden v textu.
Zakaj sem urgiral? Preprosto brez dovoljenja ne dovolim objav
mojih fotk na drugih spletnih straneh kar pa ne pomeni avtomatiÄ?no, da
zahtevam honorar. Brez težav bi mi poslal mail in vprašal za dovoljenje
in bi ga tudi dobil, ker ne gre za komercialno stran. Se paÄ? dogovoriÅ¡
o pogojih objave in to je to. To je pošten odnos!Kaj
je dovoljeno in kaj ni si lahko vsak posameznik prebere o zakonu o
avtorskih in sorodnih pravicah RS. V Sloveniji je res kršenje avtorskih
pravic pravi nacionalni Å¡port zato sem tudi odreagiral. MM se tega dobro zaveda, zato je sliko tudi odstranil!LpKurty P.s. bi pa Ä?lovek glede na vse to pisanje od MM-ja priÄ?akoval javno pojasnilo…Tolk o Slovenski in Å¡e kakÅ¡ni kulturi!
Ma, bedarija. <sicer se pa z puncami osebno poznam! Ja,
tako da si vsaki se nasmehnil in si jo na dalec pogledal (ce pa imas od
vsakega in vsake naslov in ves ime, pa se opravicujem). Se pa strinjam,
da so potem se pravila RO, in tam pa je mozno, da je kje v "small
print" zapisano, da se vsak, ki se valja v blatu v casu RO, tudi
strinja z objavo fotk.
MM je naredil napako s tem, da je objavil tvojo fotko (upam, da
je ni on obrezal) in jo uploadal (fizicno) na Carniolo, ni pa nikoli
trdil da je to njegovo avtorsko delo, saj je bil pod "avtorjem" naveden link do tvoje spletne strani…. Fotke ki je bila objavljena tudi ni bilo med "kitajskimi" fotkami, zato razumem Kurtyjev "bes".
Anyway. I think the Kurty’s point was right, just the communication was
And that he should be very
wrong. He saw that MM is from the States, and voila, lets not write him
an email and lets not discuss with him (i’m sure the end result would
be the same), but lets just threaten him with a lawyer. After all, this
is an american way, isn’t it??? :)I hope Kurty also threatened Chinese the same way…And
i guess this is also a lesson for MM… that not everything that is
published on internet is public domain
careful when dealing with slovenes
Ma, bedarija.
<sicer se pa z puncami osebno poznam!
OpraviÄ?ilo sprejeto. Upam, da ti zadostuje, da z njima pijem kavo v Novem Mestu…
ROCK OTOÄŒEC:
Organizator vsako leto priredi tudi fotonateÄ?aj in je povsod
navedeno, da se bo fotografiralo & objavilo fotografije oziroma jih
bo organizator uporabil za promocijo festival. Avtorji lahko objavijo
fotografije na svojih spletnih straneh ali naredijo razstavo. ÄŒe pa
avtor želi prodati fotografije recimo agenciji za komercialne namene
seveda potrebuje soglasje osebe na sliki.
Kurty, Kurty, Kurty …
If I were running things you would be given a very small kramp =
pick (lego size) and be sent to a very big quarry where you would have
to diligently work 16 hours a day. Why a lego size "kramp"? I think
that question would start to haunt you.
Kurty, you dumb hypocrite. You are worse than a smut peddler. At
least those guys pay their models for showing their tits. You claim to
know the two girls in the picture, but I doubt you know all the girls
in all the pictures on your site. I suggest you read again what somebody has written:"Now, the greater question here is if you have model releases from all
the women you photographed, if not you may want to consider some
liability insurance – if the women in question ever decide to care.
Getting permission from the organizer of the event doesn’t do the
trick, unless he posses these model releases and is authorized by those
releases to allow a third party (that’s you) to publish them, unless
your site can be considered a documentary or new report."In
case you don’t understand english very well, get someone to translate
for you, because that’s a decent pice of free legal advice. It says
Rock Otocec cannot just take ownership of all the pictures of these
girls. Besides, the rules at RO say that the pictures will be published
for promotion purposes. I don’t think publication on a private
photographer’s website qualifies. I never said you were not
within your rights to request what you did. I just think you did it in
an incredibly stupid way, considering that Michael’s website is a free
publication. Here’s what I would have done:"Dear Micahel,Please
make sure to reference the picture on your website by putting back the
watermark or putting a comment ‘Photography by Kurty’ at the bottom of
the picture. Also, please use ‘at Kurty’s website’ in the hypertext
link that links to my site instead of ‘here’. Since a lot of
people have already seen the picture without this referencing, could
you also please do a story on the XYZ project that I am doing some
time?"That would ensure yourpicture would be properly referenced
and would even get you some more positive exposure with another story
about your work. But such a response would require some prerequisites.
Like a brain and a business sense.I can’t believe I spent so
much time giving good advice to your sorry ass. Michael is a much
smarter person than me for just ignoring you.
And I thought that assholes with metal rod up theirs were banned from Rock OtoÄ?ec…
Kurty: "Zakaj sem urgiral? Preprosto brez dovoljenja ne dovolim objav mojih fotk na drugih spletnih straneh kar pa ne pomeni avtomatiÄ?no, da zahtevam honorar. Brez težav bi mi poslal mail in vpraÅ¡al za dovoljenje in bi ga tudi dobil, ker ne gre za komercialno stran. Se paÄ? dogovoriÅ¡ o pogojih objave in to je to."Ker je Michael fotografijo nasel na spletni strani kitajske agencije Xinhua, kako naj bi vedel, kdo je izvirni lastnik avtorskih pravic? Ce je Xinhua objavila delo brez dovoljenja, potem je ona odgovorna za krsitev, in ne posameznik, ki ni mogel vedeti, da agencija (ena najvecjih na svetu!) nima ustreznega dovoljenja za objavo.Since Michael found the photo on Xinhua’s site, how should he have known who the original copyright holder was? If Xinhua published the work without permission, then it is responsible for the copyright violation, rather than an individual who could not have known that the wire service, one of the biggest in the world, did not have the necessary copyright clearance.
^^^ The above post was mine.
Fotka, ki jo je MM uporabil ni objavljena na Kitajski strani….tko malo za naivce??!!
"Copyright ©2003 Xinhua News
Agency. All rights reserved.Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited."Torej tudi će bi bila bi potreboval dovoljenje.Seveda pa lahko MM vse javno pojasni. P.s. kdor želi lahko moje texte prevaja v angleÅ¡Ä?ino, ker jih sam v tem jeziku paÄ? ne piÅ¡em!
Again I say: "Kurty, get your lego size pick and start diggin’, you narrow minded steel rod up your ass buttmunch!"And if I’m ever at RO, and you’re quietly enjoying your day taking pictures of half-naked ladies - don’t be surprised if a fist suddenly appears in front of your eyes, followed by darkness. When you wake up - you’ll be in a quarry and yes, you’ll have a lego size pick in your hands.
Madona, Kurty.Lepa beseda lepo mesto najde.Povsem
dovolj bi bilo opozorilo, da so slike tvoje in naj jih Michael odstrani
s strani, ne pa da v prvem kontaktu ze grozis z odvetnikom. Nekateri ne pomislijo na avtorske pravice v vsakem trenutku, nekateri pa ne pomislijo preden kaj izrecejo ali napisejo.lp,Gasper
Vsekakor bi lahko opozorilo poslal privatno ne pa kot komentar Ä?lanku. ÄŒe drugega ne, gospod ne kaže nobene taktnosti.
Wow. This is such obvious case of self-promotion it’s not even funny anymore. I’m sure you could never deal with the great injustice you suffered in this horrible breach of your intelecutual rights. Yeah, right… and people accuse United States of being a land where anyone can sue anyone for stupid bullshit. Imagine that. Get a grip, man. Try buying some advertisement space in a mag, for a bit of shameless self-promotion. Goodness.