No argument there. Unless… ‘Eye of The Beholder’ might be more appropriate to bang your head to in this case ;-). Have a nice weekend, whatever music you’ll be listening to…

     by Arf on April 29, 2005 at 10:01 pm

probably a good idea, i could not resist temptation to add to all that sorry

     by Katja on April 29, 2005 at 11:54 pm

being a nazi and being slovenian means protecting slovenia from islam and international zionism

     by Robert on April 30, 2005 at 3:55 am

Robert, you don’t seem to get what national socialism means. Please go back and read what good old Adoph Hitler’s opinion about Slavic people. Get your historic facts straight before you post some statement which doesn’t even make sense if you do know what national socialism was all about. Protecting Slovenija from international Zionism and Islam does NOT constitute national socialism. I bet you didn’t even bother to read Mein Kampf, a book which apparently is a hit in Turkey these days. Talk about irony. Get your facts straight before you post some hollow sloganesque non sequitur that you don’t even grasp the concept of, let alone the conclusions people could draw about your IQ. ‘Protecting Slovenija from Islam and international Zionism’ is merely a bland justification -and not even an original one - for racism. Which I’m sure you’re proud of, but has no place in an open- minded forum like this weblog. One last question : did you come up with this ideological emptiness yourself, or are you really one of the bastard grandchildren of Dr. Joseph Goebbels? Oh, I forgot : he and his wife poisoned their children. Seems like they missed at least one…

     by Arf on April 30, 2005 at 6:18 am

being a nazi and being a slovenian is simillar to screaming "black
power!" and being white. And protecting Slovenia from Islam? Erm, you
see and turk invasion, Robert?  And what exactly are the so-called
protectors doing to prevent that? Beating up anybody who`s name isn`t
janez and marija?

     by cookie on April 30, 2005 at 12:32 pm

Michael, I was sorry to see that you had to remove that
post.  As I said before, it was a great combination of humour and
outrage.  But as they say, <b>"Every good deed shall not
pass unpunished."</b>Keep the spirit and keep speaking (writing) your conscience. 

     by DarkoV on April 30, 2005 at 3:46 pm

In my opinon the word Nazi is used today just as a strong word for RACISM…
Nazi means "NATIONAL socialist", so it is nowadays used by
people in different kinds of ethnic environments,  not just
"WHITE". Just as long as "WE" are the same and "THEY" are somehow
different… replacing German racial aspirations with their own…
Remember the recent school killings in the USA. The kid who did
this was a native American (Indian) and he was a member of the local
"NAZI" native American gang/party.According to www.nazi.org they demand Repatriation of non-Germanic populations.It’s hard not to laught when reading this stuff… QUOTE:
being a nazi and being a slovenian is simillar to screaming "black
power!" and being white.

     by marbit on April 30, 2005 at 7:02 pm

In my opinon the word Nazi is used today just as a strong word for RACISM…

Nazi means "NATIONAL socialist", so it is nowadays used by
people in different kinds of ethnic environments,  not just
"WHITE". Just as long as "WE" are the same and "THEY" are somehow
different… replacing German racial aspirations with their own…

Remember the recent school killings in the USA. The kid who did
this was a native American (Indian) and he was a member of the local
"NAZI" native American gang/party.
According to www.nazi.org they demand Repatriation of non-Germanic populations.
It’s hard not to laught when reading this stuff…
QUOTE:
being a nazi and being a slovenian is simillar to screaming "black
power!" and being white.

     by marbit on April 30, 2005 at 7:04 pm

Who cares if you get hatemail?  Never stopped me…

     by The Lord George Nathanial Curzon on April 30, 2005 at 8:14 pm

you are full of crap: "But Nazism is something that cannot be engaged on any intellectual level. It’s an emotion; a desire for violence, wrapped in symbols that mean nothing. Indeed, to say that you are a Slovenian patriot and a Slovenian Nazi is an oxymoron." Of course it can be engaged on an intellectual level. In a Slovenian context, the very roots of the composite noun exclude Slovenians from inclusion. Slavs are excluded from any meaningful (pleasant) participation in the Nazi worldview. Nazism especially amongst those whom it promises to relegate to servitude can not be spoke of as an emotion or a propensity towards violence, it is a conviction that social and political metamorphosis can only be achieved in the long term through an often violent, systematic excision of foreign (un[insert word]) influences along nationalist parameters. It is pure egotism and xenophobia which if left to its own devices curdles and infects again. Look at Germany with its many statutes against nationalistic incitement or the propagation of Nazi symbols or rhetoric. It has not stopped the many stickers on park benches or inappropriate graffiti that appears around Hitler’s birthday or whenever Hess died. The ideology has been driven underground and still flourishes in diluted forms. To misuse a west end expression: dont hide your light under a bushel. that is I believe what this blog is for. Not cherrypicking the exceptionally good or bad, but that which comes into your common experience. just dont do it anymore

     by bob on May 1, 2005 at 4:30 am

Let me clarify: While I do believe that there are many Nazis who
actually believe in the principles of national socialism, I think that
most of them are simply in it for the "fun."
It’s not a political movement based on ideas, but more of a good way to
get into a lot of fights with a lot of people. The reason I say it
can’t be engaged intellectually is because the general ideas behind it
are empty: there is no science behind racism, only junk science.
Arguing with a Nazi is a bit like arguing with someone who believes the
Earth is flat. They don’t care to argue, except with boots in the face.

     by Michael M. on May 1, 2005 at 9:03 am

"The reason I say it can’t be engaged intellectually is because the general ideas behind it are empty: there is no science behind racism, only junk science."Eugenics is not ‘junk’ science. Races are inherently different from eachother. Multiculturalism does not work. I am a Slovenian living in Canada for the time being and I see the way the White Canadian population is being swindled out of their own country. Let me clarify that whites are the LEAST racist people on earth. The fact is that most asians and blacks and jews are very agressively racist, and promote their own peoples agendas to the point of excluding the very people that let them into the country!   In Slovenija, you are lucky, the culture is homogeneous, and there is virtually no crime or violence. The economy is decent and the future looks bright. There is no ethnic tension. There is no capability of it! Beautiful isn’t it?"Arguing with a Nazi is a bit like arguing with someone who believes the Earth is flat"We could say exactly the same thing about you, and you wouldn’t wake up until your sister got gang-raped by a group of middle easterners. That is what is occuring in Sweden and Denmark now after the liberal government let in tens of thousands of assylum seekers. The point is, forget about the term ‘Nazi’ for a second. It seems most people shut their minds off from reason when they hear this word. "did you come up with this ideological emptiness yourself, or are you really one of the bastard grandchildren of Dr. Joseph Goebbels? Oh, I forgot : he and his wife poisoned their children. Seems like they missed at least one"Reverting to name-calling is usually the response given when an valid point is presented that cannot be properly argued against.Slovenija gre naprejGreat webpage by the way Michael, I really enjoy it. No disrespect intended by my arguments.    

     by Robert on May 1, 2005 at 11:39 pm

Eugenics becomes junk science when people draw the wrong conclusions from it, just like you did.There
are differences among people, but that does not mean that one sort of
people are inherently inferior. And multiculturalism does work  -
as long as there is common ground to agree on. USA is today the most
powerful country in the world. And it is the most multicultural. The
melting pot policy has been proven to work. Go to Ellis island and you
will see wonders. Italians and the Irish being discriminated against,
thought of as inferior people. Well, they all became Americans and
helped build the most powerful country in the world.
The problem with European immigration policy is not with some inherent
bad trait in the immigrants, but rather completely flawed policy.
Firstly, most of the immigrants consist of blue-collar workers. They
are not very well educated and they were allowed to immigrate because
the rich Euros did not want to scrape toilets and mine coal and build
bridges anymore. At least not at the price that the immigrants did. So,
if you scrape the bottom of the barrel, you end up with dirt. Second,
the immigrants are never integrated. Europe still equates citizenship
and nationality with bloodline. And that is bad. Immigrants in Slovenia
should be allowed to become Slovenians. They should think that being
Slovenian is something to be desired and also something that can be
acquired. Instead, they are bunched up into ghettos and constantly
reminded that they will never be Slovenian. It’s the same all over
Europe and Sweden is now seeing the backlash. As far as I am
concerned you can become Slovenian if A) you have the desire to be
Slovenian B) you  learn the language. If you do these two things,
you should be able to call yourself a Slovenian, but unfortunately,
that is not the case. I will also gladly learn and accept the
many wonderful different things that the immigrants can bring to enrich
our culture. Such as burek, baklava and juicy cursewords.
 

     by crni on May 2, 2005 at 12:46 am

"There are differences among people, but that does not mean that one sort of people are inherently inferior"Actually, this is EXACTLY what it means. Examine the Bell Curve for intelligence rankings among the races. Look at the animal kingdom as another example, the weaker of the species go extinct. As Humans, we are the only species on the planet that have transgressed natural selection. This is going against our most primal instincts. "Italians and the Irish being discriminated against, thought of as inferior people. Well, they all became Americans and helped build the most powerful country in the world." Yes, Irishmen and Italians, not Asians and Arabs. I will gladly accept any good European into Slovenija.When it comes down to it, who do you want living next door and dating your daughter?"Europe still equates citizenship and nationality with bloodline. And that is bad."Blood is ALL that we have, when you strip away the material possesions, WHO we are is all that matters in the end.  "Immigrants in Slovenia should be allowed to become Slovenians. They should think that being Slovenian is something to be desired and also something that can be acquired." Why? So they can take away jobs from hard-working Slovenians? I’m not talking about European immigrants, I am speaking about the Third Worlders coming into the country and taking advantage of the system and draining it for all it’s worth. Why do they do this? because they don’t care, it is not their country and it is not their land. They will hurt the country, not improve it. In Sweden, England, France, there are ‘No Go’ foreigner zones where people are attacked and beaten for just being white! Is this what you want to happen in Slovenija!? "It’s the same all over Europe and Sweden is now seeing the backlash."They GAVE the assylum seekers Citizenship, entitling them to all the benefits that a native Swede would recieve. And that’s why they deserve backlash? "I will also gladly learn and accept the many wonderful different things that the immigrants can bring to enrich our culture"Again, any European that wants to move to Slovenija with good intentions, so be it. We are the same family. What most of your friendly non-euros will bring is crime, intolerance, and pure hatred towards us. In France, muslims want to declare a Jihad. I don’t want that to happen, not in France, and by God, not in my beautiful Slovenija.

     by Robert on May 2, 2005 at 5:00 am

Dear Robert,How befitting you should choose to select only the last part of my response to your ill- informed post to comment on and overlook the preceding. The sort of selectivity your kind seems to have a patent on. Granted, it was a snide remark, but even the subtext seems to have eluded you. I stand by my words : you do not have any idea about what being a nazi is all about. Extreme right nationalist, that you may be. Racist as well. But not a national socialist. And yes, you are being led by racist propaganda and even pass it on. How does that not constitute an allusion to Dr. Joseph Goebbels, who took misleading the masses by propaganda to a whole new level? I’ve seen this meaningless prattle about Bell curves about racial intelligence once too often to actually care. Not that I did in the first place. My adage always has been that categorization of human beings is a waste of time because there are infinitely different parameters that one should take into account when ‘measuring’. And then there’s the proven fact that the entity which tests influences the test,thus also the results. So if a racist tests for intelligence by race, he/she will undoubtedly influence the test because he/she is part of it. And before you fail to comprehend what I’m saying and scream ‘discrimination’, this is applicable to any person with any kind of inclination, be it political, racial, sexual, etc… There is just one thing I agree on with you, which is that rotten apples should be taken out of the basket. I think anyone can agree with that. Of course, it’s easier to pick out those precentage wise few rotten Jonagolds in a basket predominantly filled with Granny Smiths, isn’t it?And if there is anything as or more ridiculous than your allegation that North Africans and Arabs will steal jobs from ‘good, hard working Slovenes’ I have yet to see it. Especially when you say you don’t have a problem with EU immigrants. This isn’t a least bit inspired by opportunism, is it? Let me tell you something, Robert : your EU brethren to the West of you fear exactly the same… FROM THEIR EASTERN BRETHREN! And in the perception of the masses and the media there - as flawed and prejudiced as anywhere else, including the geography department of the White House, Slovenija is part of Eastern Europe. Not even a month ago, unions from all over the EU protested against low income workers from Eastern Europe coming in to work in their countries and being taxed in their own, thereby ruining the markets for home businesses. For years now, illegal immigrants from Eastern Europe are flooding the streets of Western Europe, and I guarantee you that sticks in the minds of the ‘hard working people’ over there. Now, I know that Slovenija is a Central European country, and I know that economically - and ofttimes socially and culturally as well, which is why this site is so great in correcting misconceptions and presenting a broader perspective on this country - it has been unfairly lumped in with Eastern European countries less well off, but I and others like me still have a hard time convincing others of that. Why? Because of the same kind of racial based generalizing you’re so kindly bestowing on us here. This being the reason why I suggested you going back to your history books and actually read what uncle Adolf had to say about Slavic people. Then you might get a taste of how a coloured foreigner with different beliefs than yours feels when he/she reads your words. And why he/she then decides to turn against you, tired as he/she is of being victimized and ostracized. Fundamentalism is a problem not limited to Islam (beware of Evangelicals bearing gifts.. and arms), but racism only makes innocents flee in the arms of those who make plans to fly into buildings with airplanes. So nice one, Robert. You and your kind might eventually be the death of us all…

     by Arf on May 2, 2005 at 3:03 pm

"The sort of selectivity your kind seems to have a patent on."My ‘kind’? again, with the put-downs and insults. Seems that YOU have a patent on that.  "Extreme right nationalist, that you may be. Racist as well. But not a national socialist."How come you are so sure that you know me inside out? Well, you got 2/3…"How does that not constitute an allusion to Dr. Joseph Goebbels, who took misleading the masses by propaganda to a whole new level?"I am not trying to mislead anybody, exactly the opposite. I am doing my patriotic duty that is to protect and inform my countrymen and women. I love them like I love my brother or sister. Real Evil huh? "if there is anything as or more ridiculous than your allegation that North Africans and Arabs will steal jobs from ‘good, hard working Slovenes’ I have yet to see it."You have yet to see it because they haven’t penetrated the country yet, that’s my whole point, keep it the way it is now, and PREVENT them from entering in the first place. "your EU brethren to the West of you fear exactly the same… FROM THEIR EASTERN BRETHREN"You are right about this, and it is unfortunate. then again, many easterners are lazy and uneducated, so I can’t really blame them. Many Slovenes need to pick up their act, so to speak. what we have achieved in the last 14 years is a testament to our work-ethic and pride. "it has been unfairly lumped in with Eastern European countries less well off, but I and others like me still have a hard time convincing others of that"This is the struggle I face almost every day, we are on the same god damn side! why fight me? I fight for you ! Cuj ti, mi smo prijatelji! I just happen to praise the principles of the Third Reich. "unions from all over the EU protested against low income workers from Eastern Europe coming in to work in their countries"I doubt their concerns are pointed directly at tiny Slovenija, they are more worried about Poland, Baltic states, Slovakia and Hungary. "And why he/she then decides to turn against you, tired as he/she is of being victimized and ostracized"Yes, I am tired out the White Race being victimized and ostracized. Especially in our homelands. This is unacceptable, if they can’t make their countries work, why should we let them into ours? Slovenija will move back 14 years if liberal and naive people decide to follow the Western examples of immigration. This was one thing the Iron Curtain was good at. Multiculturalism was proven to work? Hello? Where were you from 1991-1995?? Do you remember Greater Serbia (Jugoslavija??) That didn’t go so well. I will finish off by saying that Slovenija means everything to me, I put it in higher standing then my own life, I will take up arms against anyone that threatens us. If that means dying for my land, then I did the right thing, and I can rest peacefully. Can you say the same thing Arf?    

     by Robert on May 2, 2005 at 11:27 pm

"Examine the Bell Curve for intelligence rankings among the races.."This research was disproven. The questions in the polls were loaded. "Yes, Irishmen and Italians, not Asians and Arabs.  "My point is, that 100 years ago Irishmen and Italians were thought to be just as bad as you stereotype about Arabs and Asians."Why? So they can take away jobs from hard-working Slovenians?" Hard
working Slovenians? You mean the schmucks that study for 8 years, then
whine about not being able to find a job? The schmucks that don’t
aspire for anything? The same people that are sporting 10-15%
uneployment rate, yet the construction industry still needs workers?
The rent-seekers that think the state should take care of them? Hmmm…
 I want some people from here
to immigrate into Slovenia. And from the same institutions in Korea,
China, wherever. We need to make Slovenia a place where these
wonderful, smart, educated, Asian, Arab, black, whatevertheirrace
people would want to live in and build it. Unfortunately, that train
has left the station and perhaps we should all start learning the
wonderful phrase "Would you like fries with that?" in Hindi and
Mandarin.

"Sweden GAVE the assylum seekers Citizenship, entitling them to all the
benefits that a native Swede would recieve. And that’s why they deserve
backlash?"
 Yes. They gave them the citizenship - a piece of paper. They
never made Sweden their home. You know how Americans get all patriotic
and teary-eyed singing the national anthem and watching the flag? well,
even the first generation immigrant feel part of USA there. In Europe,
that simply doesn’t happen. And the reason is - you. You would never
view someone who doesn’t have Slovenian blood as Slovenian. Even if
that person really wanted to be Slovenian. Even if they learned the
language. This is bad, because the immigrant that are already in
Slovenia feel like they will never be able to be a part of it, so they
often just give up and turn violent.
You should really break away from racial profiling, it’s stupid. Slovenia would be very lucky if we could attract so many bright
Asian , Arab, Persian and African people as USA. Did you know that 30%
of Silicon Valley high-tech firms were owned by first generation
immigrants, mainly from India and China? Heck, I am all for
discrimination. I am a stinking fucking elitist. I say, we let as many
highly educated people in as possible and leave the riff-raff
outside.  I wish we could kick some nazi riff-raff out, too.
Unfortunately, it’s not possible.

     by crni on May 3, 2005 at 3:54 am

How about next time I’m in Slovenija I come and we can have a nice little conversation? You are a piece of trash, I doubt you are Slovenian, you sound more like a Serb or a Croat because no Slovene in their right mind would say the things you say. And if you are you are a traitor and should be imprisoned or stripped of your citizenship. You want to give away my land to foreigners? Not a chance in hell. Over my dead body, you skumbag. I live in Slivnica pri Mariboru next to the school when I am there. I will probably be back home in August. I train at Kaj in Kaja Fitness so you can come and call me a Nazi riff-raff all you want, to my face. But when you see me, trust me, the LAST thing that you will want to do is that. You are no doubt a coward, as most traitors are. Idiots like you make my blood boil, they should have thrown your kind in the ovens with the rest of them

     by Robert on May 3, 2005 at 5:00 am

He he, so much for arguments, huh? Did I address you
personally in a condescending manner? I simply took your statements and
made arguments on them. I guess that was too much for that little
raisin you call brain.You have proven yourself to be Nazi
riff-raff. What are you doing in Canada? Cleaning toilets? Sucking
cock? Training at some underground Nazi facility and getting your shit
pushed up your poop-chute by other Nazi fanboys?
Oh and yeah -  my dick is bigger than yours. You’ve been fucking pwnzored, f00l.

     by crni on May 3, 2005 at 2:07 pm

Last year, an acquaintance of mine from the U.K. and her boyfriend were beaten up by right-wing thugs. They made the mistake of speaking English in a popular club here, and the thugs started hassling them for it. When the couple got nervous and left, the guys followed them outside and jumped them. Showing true class, they also knocked her down, but saved most of their violence for him. (Enough to send him to the hospital for a while.)The irony, robert, is that they would probably have done the same to you and me – if they heard us speaking English somewhere. Like you, they’re very keen on eliminating foreign influences on Slovenia.Given this, I have to say that I think you’re in the wrong place here. There are many pages dedicated to hardcore nationalist causes, but this isn’t one of them. As a foreigner, I certainly don’t have any sympathy to the idea of beating up foreigners and purging the country of outside influences. And while I generally appreciate hearing from all political sides (there are quite a few conservative commenters here — even crni, who is certainly a Slovenian patriot and a smart fellow to boot, would probably qualify as "centrist" or "center-right") I draw the line at violence and threats of violence.

     by Michael M. on May 3, 2005 at 3:53 pm

"The irony, robert, is that they would probably have done the same to you and me — if they heard us speaking English somewhere. Like you, they’re very keen on eliminating foreign influences on Slovenia" I am not a foreigner, I am 100% Slovene. I was born in Maribor, my parents are from Maribor, my grand-parents are from Maribor and Celje, and so-on… I’m just studying abroad for a few years. I don’t condone an attack like that, but I am sure there was an instigation by the victims. "crni, who is certainly a Slovenian patriot" he couldn’t be any less of a Slovenian patriot. He is a communist serb, pushing his hidden agendas. If he had any balls he would come to my town, but he won’t be within 20 km of it. "Oh and yeah -  my dick is bigger than yours." where did that come from? I’m done with posting on this site, but I am not done with that communist serb. Pray to lenin’s grave that you don’t run into me jewboy. Vedno za Slovenija

     by An observer on May 4, 2005 at 5:47 am

"The irony, robert, is that they would probably have done the same to you and me — if they heard us speaking English somewhere. Like you, they’re very keen on eliminating foreign influences on Slovenia" I am not a foreigner, I am 100% Slovene. I was born in Maribor, my parents are from Maribor, my grand-parents are from Maribor and Celje, and so-on… I’m just studying abroad for a few years. I don’t condone an attack like that, but I am sure there was an instigation by the victims. "crni, who is certainly a Slovenian patriot" he couldn’t be any less of a Slovenian patriot. He is a communist serb, pushing his hidden agendas. If he had any balls he would come to my town, but he won’t be within 20 km of it. "Oh and yeah -  my dick is bigger than yours." where did that come from? I’m done with posting on this site, but I am not done with that communist serb. Pray to lenin’s grave that you don’t run into me jewboy. Vedno za Slovenija

     by Robert's friend on May 4, 2005 at 5:53 am

fuckin nazis. like zmago always says: "you are a scum that we should
have eliminated back in 45". you are a sad wreckage of human race,
breeding on violence. perhaps we should ship you to rižana, where you
will be able to learn from your ancestors. i bet you are not even
slovenians. just some idiots with austrian daddy and some "higher" goal
purpuse. start cleaning slovenia of foraginers. primary with your own
blood-mixed coctail ass. remember what happened with nazi rally in
ottawa. not many escaped without broken noses. got to moscow and pray
over hitlers bones, that we never meet in person

     by janez on June 1, 2005 at 2:03 pm