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Stormfront was founded in 1995 by former KKK Grand Wizard Don Black and calls itself a "white nationalist community." ("Bunch of angry Nazis online" didn’t have such a nice ring to it, even though it’s probably a more accurate description.)
Their online forum deals with such pressing issues as: "Are Jews Hot or Not?", "Is intelligence determined by melanin?" and, of course: "What conclusions should we draw from the fact that Adolf Hitler, upon hearing that the war was lost, said that "it will be better to destroy ourselves" because Aryans will have shown themselves to be "the weaker ones and the future will belong to the stronger eastern nations."1
The implications of that last question are certainly interesting, but not the focus of this post. That dubious privilege belongs to this discussion, wherein a member asks:
I was just wondering if any of you think that sometime in the future Serbia, Bosnia, and Crotia, might unite again to form a new yugoslavia. Personally I think they should because times didn’t appear to be as hard back when they were together. But then again I don’t live their, that’s why I asked you guys. Any information or opinions are appreciated
If you like little flame wars, this one’s for you. A Slovenian member (SLO-pride)gets into a brief scuffle with members bearing such charming names as WhiteWarlord and Dr Josef Mengele. The fact that this small group of like-minded people can´t even make it through the discussion without insulting each other pretty much answers the question.
However, the most baffling comment by far is this:
the way i look at it is that the people of slovenia probably have very little control in what their jewish bought govt. does. this is why they got help from the u.s. and possibly why they were quicker to get healthy economically. but are they really healthy economically? what about all the jewish investment that went into slovenia? i’m not sure that is so healthy. see my point?
Wait. Huh? Is there a point? What’s going on? Everytime I try to figure this one out, my head starts to hurt a bit and I have to go lie down for a while.
If you’re also a glutton for punishment, or just want to see the whole argument unfold, you can read it here.
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1) The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L. Shirer, 1960, Simon & Schuster, page 1104. Hitler was speaking to his armaments minister Albert Speer. Hitler also added: "Those who will remain after the battle are only the inferior ones, for the good ones have been killed." (ibid)
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There is no future Yugoslavia. What was, was, is gone and will never be the same again. Those were different times, socialism is one of the ways of describing that.
If you look at the past: Slovenia was for a long time part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and was doing great. For example: during the great Austro-Hungarian reign we were blessed with the progress of the civilisation, development, railroads, etc. We had it all.
But were we happy? No, that is why we fought to brake loose and form our own country.
Next we formed (I’ll skip all those Kingdoms SHS and similar because I didn’t pay much attention at history class
) Yugoslavia. It was not our own country, but the unity of some slavonic nations. During the time of the Austro-hungarian Empire some of the slavonic nation fell back in terms of development since the Turkish Empire invaded the Balkan Peninsula. And we joined with those nations which meant a halt in our progress and development - no matter how great the times appeared to be, they meant for us not keeping abreast with West and Central European countries.
And what do we do when we find out this is not it? We fight again to become an independent country… and yet again join something else…
Considering all the facts I can see we Slovenians are a nation which wants to be independent, but makes foolish mistakes following that goal. We could have prospered further under the Austro-Hungarian Empire, never take on socialism and be more than we are today, but we chose otherwise and fell behind.
And now Slovenia has joined the EU. We are still an “independent” country, but we must abide the rules of the EU. Is that the independency our forefathers fought for? Nope. It is realizing the mistakes made and trying to get back into the saddle. And yet it is another mistake. Not to mention accepting Euro as our currency…
Oh, so many Jewish governments, so few nazis.
‘Jewish government’. Creeps.
Yeah…we could have still been members of an Austro-Hungarian Empire and totally lost our own language and culture to the germanization-process (and hungarification-process for Prekmurjes part)that had been going on for centuries.
Or have I misunderstood? When in our history do you mean we should have left that boat (Austria-Hungary) to become independent? The 30´s? The 40´s? (And of course I mean, if that empire still would have been an option at that time.)
Quick update: fellow blogger and reader mAT “Hasta la victoria siempre” the Angel Slayer has been doing some infiltrating.
Watch out for the undercover FBI agents, mAT, the place is probably swarming with them!
The problem goes far back into the past. I believe that since that guy/gal/proto-Jewish invented the wheel it’s all gone downhill, frankly. I don’t know why we even bother with civilization.
Hilarious!
I just can’t help but laugh to read the WhiteWarlord cry: “You Slovenians think you’re better than…”
I dont think there ever should be another
Yugoslavia. It would just be another round
of abuse by the serbs. Slovenia is fine
the way it is.
If Yugoslavia had been really Jugoslavija instead of Serboslavija then it might have worked, but that was not to be. Frankly Slovenia, Croatia and BiH are all better off outside of what was Yugoslavia.
I am a strong believer in the freedom of small nations. Most of the great empires in history were run by people who were total bastards.
Yes, it is all true. You goyim are to be punished. You putzes will give up your shiksas and your schikzas also you as well. Only then can you eat rubens and bagels with lachs…I dont understand why you feel the need to broach the subject with a still from American History X? What do American neo-nazis have to do with anything? Arent there enough pictures of irrational ethnic hatred and unbounded cruelty from the Ustashi or the partisans of WWII? Every nation of the former FRY has proven a willingness to engage in acts of sectarian, quasi-military or military actions against other ethnic groups within the former yugoslavian confederation that were outside the bounds of humanitarian international law (even then). The majority of people in the former FRY allowed, financially sponsored or participated in a civil war which was nasty even by african standards; to attempt even in jest a reconciliation by proferring the spectre of anti-semitism as a possible reason or even metaphorically seems to me completely reprehensible. Dont the serbs still celebrate the murderer of Archduke Franz Ferdinand? Was there during the FRY or has there since been any attempt to try Ustashi murderers from slovenia or croatia? By Professor Martin Gilbert’s (Ox.) analysis the FRY in 1945 had 12,000 surviving Jews and even if all the former constituent regions have been steadily importing jews from the former SU like Germany, which I doubt, the number of jews in Slovenia and the former FRY must be nugatory compared to its overall population and their economic impact neglible. I just do not see how this is constructive in this context. Perhaps as a lead you could introduce an article from a Viennese or Serbian daily about cross-national tensions and then admit an online article from a crazy-far-right wing austrian/german fraternity about the mendacity of southern slavs, the genetic subservience of the slavic peoples or the historic right of the germanic folk to Laibach.
In short you make light of the matters about which most people are suspicious of and you do the former FRY and its inhabitants no favours…
I’m getting the feeling that this Glory Of Carniola is nothing but a neo-con (yugo)slav-nostalgia site. I wonder why it is not called “The glory of Dravska Banovina”. :O
How can anyone ever think of such a disgraceful thing as resurrecting Yugoslavia?
Let me see if I can clear up a few things from my end.
I dont understand why you feel the need to broach the subject with a still from American History X? What do American neo-nazis have to do with anything?
The forum I linked to is the leading American neo-nazi site. This post wasn’t supposed to be about whether Yugoslavia should get back together, or about its death, but about their forum and the flame-filled arguments between neo-nazis about Yugoslavia. I chose that specific picture because I believe that neo-nazism is about violence first, violence second, and ideology somewhere after that.
the number of jews in Slovenia and the former FRY must be nugatory compared to its overall population and their economic impact neglible.
I’m glad you made this point. I should have done so in the post as well, since that’s what makes the poster sound like such a raving lunatic. According to the Jewish community of Slovenia, there are “around 400 - 600 Jews living in Slovenia out of a total population of 2 million.” That’s effectively zero percent of the population. (0.03% to be precise)
I just do not see how this is constructive in this context.
It’s not constructive. It’s crazy! That’s the point.
to attempt even in jest a reconciliation by proferring the spectre of anti-semitism as a possible reason or even metaphorically seems to me completely reprehensible
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I’m not suggesting anything even remotely related to that. I pointed out the anti-Semitic comment because it struck me as the scariest and craziest. I didn’t write it, nor do I believe it.
How can anyone ever think of such a disgraceful thing as resurrecting Yugoslavia?
Doc, you and I might live to see it, when all the former Yugoslav republics are joined together inside the EU.
In short, this whole post wasn’t supposed to be profound or serious. I’m flattered that some people think I have these dark, secret, nefarious goals with this blog, but the boring truth is that I post about what catches my eye. And that’s it.
Too much emphasis on former Yugoslavia
Michael M. I am impressed that you even find the energy to answer people here that , to my eye, intentionally are misunderstanding what you are writing/publishing here.
I find this site to be very interesting with the mix of slovene concerns with those of our former southern “brothers” (observe! the last word I say as an IRONY)
what i noticed was how polite they all are to each other, all ‘greetings’ and ‘respect to the slovenian people’, not very punk is it? still, if this politeness is a tactic to appear united then I think this discussion shows that its pretty much impossible for them, beyond ‘we hate black/foreign people’ and ‘we re proud of our country’
Adam, you should buy a sarcasm indicator. It will enrich your life, trust me.
As for some of the claims you make about every nation of the ex-FRY to have… proven a willingness to engage in acts of sectarian, quasi-military or military actions against other ethnic groups within the former yugoslavian confederation.
Well, I have issues with this statement. Slovenia did not engage in any such actions, what we had was a 10 day independence war against the federal army. No ethnic conflict whatsoever. Also, FRY was not a confederation, but a federation which is what the “Federal” in the name Federal Republic of Yugoslavia implies.
As for the Jews, at least in Slovenia they were expelled already in the 16th century. Not that this is something to be particularly proud of, just a historic fact.
Also, there were no Ustashi in Slovenia. Get your facts straight. And yes, there were trials for those people in post WWII FRY. Well, sometimes the “trials” consisted of a three-man tribunal, a bullet and a hole in the ground. Long story. Even so, there was a trial for a Croatian WWII war criminal going on as late as 1980s. I forget his name, but he had health problems and the trial kept geting postponed.
Peter, thanks for the encouraging words. It is a bit frustrating when people mistake sarcasm and irony for the truth.
As for there being too much emphasis here on the former Yugoslavia: it’s worth mentioning that Slovenia is populated almost entirely by former Yugoslavs. Virtually every adult living in this country was born and lived in Yugoslavia. (Many of today’s leading politicians were culled from the old Yugoslav communist party — Slovenia’s current president, Janez Drnovšek, was chairman of the collective Yugoslav presidency.)
Meanwhile, the average age of a Slovene born and raised in independent Slovenia is 7 years old.
I know, I know, Slovenia was part of a thousand-year Reich with Austria. But the effects of that are not comparable, nor as immediate. If you go to a party here, you will almost definitely hear old Yugoslav rock songs, you will hear old Yugoslav jokes, and you will be surrounded by adults who were born, went to school, served in the JNA, drove yugos, experienced socialism and, in short, lived life in Yugoslavia. I recognize that Slovenia has been free of that bond for 10+ years, but to deny that this has had any effect on present-day Slovenia is, in my opinion, implausible.
I don’t want to get into yet another argument about it. I just want to explain why I think the subject of Yugoslavia is, in my opinion, still relevant to present-day Slovenia. I also have no problem confessing that I find happenings in Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia etc… interesting. So sue me.
Almost forgot: The “Life in Slovenia” tag seems to be causing a lot of confusion, so I’ll be changing it soon. I just have to figure out a way to make it clear that this site will sometimes deal with Slovenia pre-1991.
You know, there is something almost prophetic in the sole name of Jugoslavija, SFRJ. If you put it like: Sedam filozofira, radi jedan! It tell syou how life was: seven philospohing and one working! Great, thanx to Scgulz Kemie GMBH
Why not try: Life in “Former Yugoslav Republic Of Slovenia=FYROS” ;o)
I am passionately interested in the goings on of the former republics of Jugoslavija, about politics,about culture,music….but I am in a clear minority concerning this amongst the slovenes of Sweden (and probably also slovenes in Slovenia.)
And..no..I do not want it back…Yugoslavia that it. (For those who believe interest in the former members of Jug. suggests that.)
Long live Yugoslavia! Long live unity! Long live peace!
We are coming back for there are so many of us! I was born as a Yugoslav and I will die as such!
knock yourself out buddy
Slo-nazis are just hilarious mainly coz of two facts: 1 - Slovenes are slavic and as long as i remember Hitler put all slavic peoples on his black list and just didn’t kill more of them coz he was too busy with the jewish people. 2 - Hello?? There’s like a dozen jewish slovenes, and the remaining few hundreds are foreigners temporarily in Slovenia.
Bravo for questioning on Yugoslavia, you need balls to wonder such thing in a “me me MEEE” country like Slovenia. Yugoslavia is still a reality for most of the people born before the 90’s.
I too find Slavic people who sympathize with NAZIs a bit wierd. I am well aware of the Nazi contempt for Slavs of all sorts. Hitler indeed killed many people in Poland,and in Russia.Both Russia and Poland have had bad relations with Germany over history.
Hitler only allied himself with certain regimes in Slavic countries for his own reasons, not because he liked any of the Slavic peoples.
yeah Jugoslavija might be a reality for those born before the 1990s but lots of things were realities to people who were born before those people and being a mental reality a memory, is a different matter from something that will come back. People who have such nostalgia for Jugoslavija remind me of those people in the U.S. who drive around with the Confederate flag on their pick-up trucks and think the South will rise again. Yes for some of them the Confederacy was real to their grandfathers and great grand fathers but rise again? HA!
Well Slovenian “Nazis” have their own agenda = kill all “cefurji” !
Hey, the “Nazis” here in Slovenia are a joke. Just the usual suburbians without a job and with to much time to fill their heads with stupid things. Most of them just want attention and to be something special, as it is with all people who find themselves without propects for their future. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t dangerous. If they group together and find a suitable target, they go for it. Just your average thugs. There is very little ideology behind their fists and curses, or even none.