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Snow on Pohorje. In October. (No, really.)

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Four pictures of Pohorje on Sunday.

La Flaca told me it was snowing on mount Pohorje1 on Sunday. After laughing at him and calling him a lying liar who was full of lies, I explained to him that this was absolutely impossible, for two reasons:

1) It’s October.
2) It was warm and sunny on Sunday.

But he insisted, saying that it had snowed in the morning when it was still cold and that I was (probably) still sleeping. I got extremely angry and threatened to “beat the lies” out of him with my “fists of eternal justice.” He then showed me pictures. You can see four of them above. My first thought was that he had taken them on Sunday and then photoshopped the snow in, but he gave me so many pictures that there’s no way he could have done it so fast. Or so well.

Then I thought that they might be from last winter, and I again grew angry and threatened to do permanent physical damage to him. But then he showed me the time stamps, leaving me with no choice but to believe it was true. Which is unfortunate, because it means that this winter will probably be very long. And filled with pain.

Thanks for the photos, La Flaca.

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1) I once sat through a very long and heated debate between two Slovenes (one from Maribor, one from Ljubljana) about whether Pohorje qualifies as a mountain or not. (You can guess which one argued for which.) Pohorje is about 1.347 meters at its peak. That’s about three and a half times smaller than Mount Blanc and two times smaller than Slovenia’s highest peak, Triglav. Pohorje also isn’t craggy like traditional mountains. Nevertheless, it’s big and fat and dominates the whole region. After listening to the two gentlemen argue, I’ve learned that the general rule is this: If you’re from Maribor, it’s a mountain. If you’re from Ljubljana, it’s a hill. And never the twain shall meet.

Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 to Slovenia

Comments

  • 1

    And if you are from the North Sea and your hometown is 9 meters above sea level it scratches the sky.

         by novala on October 20, 2004 at 12:48 pm

  • 2

    Actually Črni vrh (the highest peak I think) is 1543 m high.
    Oh, and Michael, Kranjska Gora is spelled with “nj”. Check the banner. :)

         by Blaž on October 20, 2004 at 1:21 pm

  • 3

    Blaž: I don’t what you’re talking about. The banner clearly says “Kranjska Gora” like it always has. (Just kidding — thanks for pointing out the typo!)

    I’m a bit confused about Črni vrh. You don’t mean to say it’s the highest in the country?

         by Michael M. on October 20, 2004 at 1:49 pm

  • 4

    What Blaž is trying to say is that the highest peak of Pohorje is Črni vrh at 1543m (at the very western end of Pohorje).

    And roll on winter!

         by BeeBee on October 20, 2004 at 2:21 pm

  • 5

    Hills. The whole Pohorje region. Hills.

    Same with the Appalachian “Mountains”. If you don’t need climbing gear to get to any of the tops, they’re hills.

         by crni on October 20, 2004 at 4:40 pm

  • 6

    La flaca was right! I was on AREH (pohorje) on Sunday and it was like a fairytale. 10-15 cm of fresh snow and all the trees were white! :)

         by mitja on October 20, 2004 at 4:51 pm

  • 7

    Mountain, mountain, mountain!!! :-)

         by novala on October 20, 2004 at 5:24 pm

  • 8

    How high is Smarna gora?

         by Anonymous on October 20, 2004 at 7:53 pm

  • 9

    Smarna gora is a freakin’ hill, too.

         by crni on October 20, 2004 at 8:11 pm

  • 10

    Okay, Porhorje is a hill–a mountain of a hill.

    PS: I love Smarna Goras.

         by Anonymous on October 20, 2004 at 9:51 pm

  • 11

    Its full of secrets too!

         by Anonymous on October 21, 2004 at 12:16 am

  • 12

    Hej! Šmarna gora is about 600-700 m high, but it’s gora (mountain) becuse it’s in Ljubljana :)
    And yes, I agree, I was at Turjak (south of Ljubljana)last sunday and I woke up in snow with summer tyres on my car! :(

         by tian on October 21, 2004 at 12:18 am

  • 13

    If you don’t need climbing gear to get to any of the tops, they’re hills.

    So Triglav is a hill?? I mean, you can get to the top in just sneakers.

         by blank on October 21, 2004 at 2:47 am

  • 14

    I meant Pohorje as a range. All tops are accessible. I used plural.

    You would not be able to walk on Triglav if some permanent type climbing lines and wedges were not installed there.

         by crni on October 21, 2004 at 7:37 am

  • 15

    So, even if Pohorje was less high (say, maybe 900 m), but not all of its peaks were accessible due to rugged terrain and steep inclines… then it would qualify as a mountain?

         by blank on October 21, 2004 at 4:18 pm

  • 16

    Definitions

    Hill: An elevation smaller than a mountain.
    Mountain: An elevation larger than a hill.

         by blank on October 21, 2004 at 4:22 pm

  • 17

    I applied a rule of thumb.

    A good general rule of thumb is also, that things that are below the treeline, are not mountains. Especially at Slovenia’s latitude.

         by crni on October 21, 2004 at 8:42 pm

  • 18

    Frankly, I don’t think much of either of those rule of thumbs.

    Rule of thumb No.1 has to be: Mountains are massive natural elevations.

    Desert sand hills have no trees (and thus aren’t below any treeline). Some small hills are more difficult to climb (because of steep elevations) than some tall mountains.

    Can you dispute rule of thumb No.1?

    Pohorje is massive and dominates all that surrounds it. I think it’s a mountain (maybe not your prototypical rugged, above the treeline, always snowy peaked mountain, but a mountain nonetheless).

         by blank on October 22, 2004 at 4:20 am

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